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Rogueliket
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:09 pm
by -Z-
Eli aiheesta keskustelua. Kertokaa suosikki-roguelikenne, mille tasoille olette päässeet, chardumppeja jne.
Aiheesta lisää:
weekepedia
Powderin pelaamisen aloitin taas hiljattain (Ei ollut taidot ruosteessa, tasolle 20 toisella yritämällä ;> ), ohessa viimeisin, varsin lupaavasti kulkeneen pelini chardump (Perkeleen yellow dragonit ;{). Ja suositelkaahan huviksenne jotakin PC-roguelikeä, muuta kuin nethack.
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NDS Version
Name: Zanulix
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Physical: -10/7 (max 62)
Mental: 48/6 (max 63)
AC: 32
X: 686
Depth: 17
8154 moves over 1h16m6s
Score: 1719
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Intrinsics:
+ Position revealed
x Search
+ See invisible
+ Walk on water
x Polymorph control
+ Dressed as a fighter
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Spells:
+ Flash
+ Sticky Flames
+ Magic Missile
+ Summon Familiar
+ Teleport
+ Teleport with Control
+ Direct Wind
+ Grow Forest
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Skills:
+ Charge
+ Boots
+ Cloth Armour
+ Leather Armour
+ Iron Armour
+ Medium Weapons
+ Blunt Attacks
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Equipped Items:
- Holy +5 iron helm on head.
- Long sword in right hand.
- Holy tower shield in left hand.
- +1 Plate mail over body.
- Ring of searching on right finger.
- Ring of polymorph control on left finger.
- +1 Iron shoes on feet.
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Artifacts:
The holy short sword Omabraskbrask
This artifact grants light radius 2.
Melee: 2d7+3 (death), 1d6 (physical)
Thrown 2: 1d2[-2] (physical)
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Inventory Items:
- Holy +5 iron helm.
- Long sword.
- Holy tower shield.
- +1 Plate mail.
- Ring of searching.
- Ring of polymorph control.
- +1 Iron shoes.
- Holy +3 tome of acid (4).
- Evil book of sharp points (3).
- Shocking tome (4).
- Tome of necromancy (4).
- Manual of armour (2).
- Tome of fire (1).
- Tome of fire (5).
- Guide to armour (2).
- Staff of healing.
- +1 Silver dagger.
- Holy silver spear.
- Silver sword.
- Evil silver sword.
- Holy short sword.
- Holy short sword Omabraskbrask.
- Rapier.
- +1 Mace.
- Bow.
- Bow.
- 6 Arrows.
- 7 Holy +3 arrows.
- Torch.
- Floppy hat.
- Iron helm.
- Jump boots.
- Jump boots.
- -1 Squeaky shoes.
- Holy +3 speed boots.
- -2 Fur-lined boots.
- Holy fur-lined boots.
- Holy round shield.
- Tower shield.
- Tower shield.
- Studded leather tunic.
- Chainmail.
- Splint mail.
- Evil splint mail.
- Evil plate mail.
- Crystal platemail.
- Evil helm of draining.
- Ring of invisibility.
- Holy ring of light.
- Ring of the missing finger.
- Ring of shock resistance.
- Ring of polymorph.
- Ring of polymorph.
- Holy ring of teleportation.
- Ring of teleportation.
- Ring of teleportation.
- Scroll of magic mapping.
- 2 Acid potions.
- Acid potion.
- Poison potion.
- Poison potion.
- 2 Potions of blindness.
- Holy potion of blindness.
- Potion of blindness.
- 2 Mana potions.
- Mana potion.
- 2 Evil smoke potions.
- Smoke potion.
- Bottle of greek fire.
- Bottle of greek fire.
- Potion of enlightenment.
- Evil potion of enlightenment.
- Wand of invisibility (9).
- Evil wand of ice (7).
- Wand of teleport (7).
- Wand of sleep (3).
- Wand of light (3).
- Wand of light (7).
- Wand of fire (6).
- Wand of slowness (10).
- Empty bottle.
- Crystal platemail.
- Scroll of enchant weapon.
Ja kyllä, tämä ansaitsee oman topicinsa ihan siinä missä fysiikkapelitkin! >:3
Re: Rogueliket
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:11 pm
by Koodiapina
...Ja tässä olisi varta vasten NetHackille luotu viestiketju:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=447
Re: Rogueliket
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:36 am
by otto90x
Montaa sorttia on tullut kokeiltua, mutta ADOM ja ToME, mielestäni päihittävät kaikki muut. Nethackin näppäimistökomennot tuntuivat aina jotenkin utopistisilta.
Pistetääs vielä chardump eräästä lowlevel hahmosta ADOM:sta.
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DV/PV: 38/13 H: -10(166) P: 30(30) Exp: 12/61958 GY: 2 Sp: 137
Invisible Burdened
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Background Information
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Name: Otto Race: female Human Class: Barbarian
Eye color: brown Hair color: red Complexion: light
Height: 5'7" Weight: 132 pounds
Age: 34 (grown-up, 7 years of unnatural aging added in)
Star sign: Wolf Birthday: 19/Wolf (day 319 of the year)
YOUR HISTORY:
Your father was an accomplished hunter and warrior. You were
well-respected and comparatively wealthy.
As a child you were very active and imitated the hunters and
warriors of your tribe at all opportunities.
In your youth you strived very hard to become the best warrior in
your tribe. You watched, learned and became very strong and nimble.
As a young adult you more and more separated from the more
traditional members of your tribe. Your desire to see the outside world
became overwhelming.
At the age of 27 you left your tribe.
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Inventory
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Total weight: 3348 stones Carrying capacity: 4350 stones
He: uncursed mithril cap [+0, +2] [40s]
Ne: uncursed rusty amulet of luck [8s]
Bo: blessed scale mail (-1, -2) [+1, +4] [400s]
Gi: uncursed girdle of carrying [+0, +0] [15s]
Cl: uncursed cloak of invisibility (-1, +0) [-2, +0] [30s]
RH: uncursed rusty quicksilver quarterstaff (+6, 5d3+4) [+3, +0] (+20 spd)
LH: -
RR: uncursed rusty ring of speed [+0, +1] (+5 spd) [1s]
LR: uncursed ring of searching [1s]
Br: uncursed brass bracers [+0, +0] [10s]
Ga: -
Bo: uncursed mithril boots [-1, +4] [96s]
MW: -
Mi: -
Tl: uncursed rusty holy symbol [5s]
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Stuff
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Total weight: 2722 stones Carrying capacity: 4350 stones
Shields ('[')
uncursed medium crystal shield (+2) [+9, +4] [160s]
blessed wooden shield (+1) [+3, +1] [80s]
Gauntlets ('[')
uncursed thick gauntlets (-1, -2) [+0, +4] [15s]
Cloaks ('[')
uncursed cloak of protection [+0, +3] [20s]
uncursed light cloak [+1, +0] [20s]
Girdles ('[')
uncursed adamantium girdle [+0, +3] [18s]
Boots ('[')
uncursed seven league boots [+1, +0] [30s]
Necklaces (''')
uncursed amulet of free action [3s]
uncursed necklace of rapid healing [2s]
uncursed necklace of the silver tongue {Ch+3} [2s]
One-handed weapons ('(')
uncursed adamantium battle axe (+0, 1d6+7) [50s]
uncursed eternium scimitar (-1, 2d8+8) [19s]
blessed spear (+1, 1d8) [50s]
Tools (']')
heap of 2 uncursed torches [20s]
uncursed torch (511 turns of fuel remaining) [10s]
blessed box with flint and steel (8) [5s]
uncursed tinderbox (7) [3s]
uncursed waterproof blanket [10s]
uncursed round key [1s]
heap of 2 uncursed square keys [2s]
cursed plain blanket [10s]
uncursed triangular key [1s]
heap of 13 uncursed sis [130s]
uncursed fireproof blanket [10s]
uncursed climbing set [180s]
uncursed mithril ingot [14s]
heap of 2 uncursed wooden sticks [60s]
Rings ('=')
uncursed ring of fire resistance [1s]
uncursed ring of teleport control [1s]
uncursed ring of stun resistance [1s]
uncursed ring of cold resistance [1s]
Wands ('\')
uncursed wand of fire (0 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of knocking (6 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of gold detection (0 charges) [6s]
uncursed wand of far slaying (3 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of fire (3 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of teleportation (2 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of trap detection (3 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of door creation (1 charge) [3s]
uncursed wand of webbing (12 charges) [3s]
Potions ('!')
blessed potion of healing [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of raw mana [4s]
uncursed potion of raw chaos [2s]
blessed potion of ultra healing [2s]
heap of 2 potions of holy water [8s]
cursed potion of potential toughness [4s]
heap of 4 uncursed potions of healing [16s]
uncursed potion of visibility [4s]
uncursed potion of exchange [4s]
uncursed potion of confusion [2s]
uncursed potion of youth [4s]
Scrolls ('?')
cursed scroll of uncursing [2s]
uncursed scroll of familiar summoning [2s]
uncursed scroll of increase melee accuracy [2s]
cursed scroll of defense [2s]
uncursed scroll of darkness [2s]
uncursed scroll of satiation [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of identify [4s]
Food ('%')
heap of 3 uncursed iron rations [300s]
heap of 3 uncursed large rations [600s]
uncursed loaf of dwarvish bread [60s]
uncursed stomafillia herb [2s]
blessed demon daisy [2s]
uncursed stomacemptia herb [2s]
blessed pepper petal [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed burb roots [4s]
heap of 4 uncursed morgia roots [8s]
heap of 5 uncursed moss patches of mareilon [10s]
blessed iron ration [100s]
heap of 2 uncursed lumps of bee wax [10s]
heap of 4 uncursed pepper petals [8s]
heap of 2 blessed morgia roots [4s]
heap of 70 uncursed cooked lizards [210s]
heap of 26 uncursed bones [104s]
blessed moss of mareilon [2s]
cursed morgia root [2s]
heap of 2 cursed moss patches of mareilon [4s]
heap of 8 blessed bones [32s]
heap of 3 cursed bones [12s]
Valuables ('$')
21066 gold pieces [210s]
Gems ('*')
uncursed turquoise [1s]
uncursed sapphire [1s]
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Weapon Skills
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Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks
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Unarmed fighting 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Daggers & knives 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Clubs & hammers 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Maces & flails 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Swords 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Axes 3 +2 +1 +0 basic 65
Whips 1 +1 +0 +1 basic 25
Pole arms 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Twohanded weapons 3 +3 +3 +1 basic 65
Staves 8 +8 +3 +14 excellent 341
Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks
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Slings 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Bows 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Crossbows 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown axes & hammers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown daggers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown rocks & clubs 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown spears 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Boomerangs & scurgari 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Shields Lvl DV Level Required marks
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Shields 0 +0 unskilled 7
Damage caused with your melee weapons:
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ÆRight hand: Î+36Æ bonus to hit, (Î5d3+13Æ damageÆ)/Î2
Damage caused with your missile weapons:
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No missile weapons available.
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Skills
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Athletics ................ 97 (superb) [+2d4]
Backstabbing ............. 12 (mediocre) [+4d4]
Climbing ................. 53 (good) [+4d4]
Dodge ....................100 (superb) [+2d4]
First aid ................ 41 (fair) [+3d5]
Food preservation ........ 82 (great) [+1d5]
Haggling ................. 32 (fair) [+2d4]
Herbalism ................ 51 (good) [+3d4]
Listening ................ 68 (good) [+3d5]
Stealth .................. 49 (fair) [+3d4]
Survival ................. 46 (fair) [+4d5]
Swimming ................. 70 (good) [+2d4]
Tactics .................. 21 (mediocre) [+3d3]
Two weapon combat ........ 44 (fair) [+3d5]
Woodcraft ................ 10 (poor) [+4d5]
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Her achievements during her adventures:
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Otto, the human barbarian, broke her neck by falling into a pit.
She scored 21429 points and advanced to level 12.
She survived for 0 years, 15 days, 19 hours, 59 minutes and 10 seconds
(14730 turns).
Otto visited 25 places.
Her strength score was modified by +3 during her career.
Her dexterity score was modified by +2 during her career.
Her toughness score was modified by +4 during her career.
Her appearance score was modified by +2 during her career.
Her mana score was modified by +1 during her career.
She was unnaturally aged by 7 years.
She was the champion of the arena.
She ended her adventuring life in an ancient dwarven tomb.
928 monsters perished under her attacks.
The following four artifacts were generated during her adventure:
the si
the golden gladius "Death's Sting"
the elemental gauntlets
the bracers of war
She possessed the following intrinsics:
She was lucky (gained through an item).
She was invisible (gained through an item).
She had the following talents: Careful, Greased Lightning, Quick, Shield
Specialist, Very Quick.
She had a final speed score of 137 (final base speed: 117).
She was not particularly religious.
She did not ask for divine help.
She was chaotically aligned.
She was slightly tainted by Chaos.
The following monsters were vanquished:
1 bandit
2 barbarians
3 berserkers
2 big dogs
2 black hurthlings
1 brown bear
3 bugbears
3 carrion crawlers
5 cave fishers
1 cave lizard
2 cavemen
1 chaos plague bearer
2 chaos rats
1 chaos sister
1 claw bug
3 corpse fiends
1 cutpurse
3 dark elven archers
1 dark elven wizard
1 dark sage
1 dire wolf
3 displacer beasts
1 dwarf
2 eyes of destruction
1 fairy dragon
1 farmer
5 fire beetles
5 fire lizards
1 flesh golem
2 floating eyes
1 gelatinous cube
34 ghosts
1 ghost bat
39 ghuls
4 giant bats
1 giant bee queen
17 giant bee warriors
5 giant bee workers
2 giant centipedes
2 giant frogs
3 giant lizards
35 giant rats
10 giant spiders
1 gibbering mouther
9 gnolls
2 gnoll chieftains
25 goblins
1 goblin chieftain
12 goblin rockthrowers
4 goblin slavemasters
1 gray ooze
1 green slime
2 green worms
6 harpies
2 hell hounds
1 hill orc sergeant
3 hippogriffs
19 hobgoblins
1 hobgoblin chief
2 hobgoblin leaders
4 homunculi
2 huge bats
23 hyenas
1 imp
119 jackals
5 jackalweres
2 karmic lizards
34 kobolds
4 kobold chieftains
4 kobold shamans
10 large bats
3 large gnolls
1 large jackal
12 large kobolds
11 large orcs
7 lizard men
1 mimic
4 minotaurs
1 necromancer
2 ochre jellies
1 ogre
1 ogre magus
35 orcs
1 orc butcher
4 orc chieftains
15 orc scorchers
3 owlbears
16 pit vipers
1 pixie
1 rabid dog
73 rats
1 ratling archer
1 ratling duelist
2 ratling fencers
5 ratling thieves
2 ratling warriors
3 red worms
33 shadows
2 silver wolves
41 skeletons
2 slow shadows
1 swordsman
4 tarantulas
3 trolls
1 troll berserker
1 viper
5 wererats
1 werewolf
36 wights
10 wolves
3 wraiths
2 yellow oozes
61 zombies
Re: Rogueliket
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:40 pm
by Koodiapina
Nöyrä toiveeni olisi, että pistäisitte johonkin pastebiniin nuo tilastonne. SubSilver2 ei nimittäin pienennä koodilaatikon kokoa tarvittaessa vaan tekee viestiketjun lukemisesta tuskaa. Muita teemoja en edes harkitse.
Mutta onhan noita Roguelikejä tullut testailtua.
Yksi suosikkini jota vaahtosammuttimena pelasin on Azure Dreams. Se oli perinteisellä toteutuksella, mutta RPG elementtejä ja hienoja grafiikoita hyväksykäyttäen tehty peli. Se oli kaupallinen ja tarjolla ainakin PS1 konsolille. Idea oli nousta kylän sankariksi -läheisestä monsteritornista rikkauksia ja mainetta haalien.
NetHackin taas löysin paljon myöhemmin, siinä kolmisen vuotta sitten. Tästä alkaen kiinnostukseni genreä kohtana kasvoi, ja aloin pelaamaan myös muita samanlaisia pelejä. Näihin kuului Rogue, Angband, Zangband, Doom RL ja Dudley's dungeon crawl. Ne eivät kuitenkaan tarjonneet puoliakaan siitä mitä NetHack, joten kiinnostus niihin loppui melko nopeasti. ADOM taas oli hyvinkin monipuolinen, mutta toisaalta sen aloitus tuntui liian rankalta ja juonet monimutkaisilta.
Lisäksi olen tehnytkin roguelikeä, tosin en kovin hurrattavilla lopputuloksilla. Yleensä yritykseni ovat kaatuneet huonoon kartanteko-algorithmiin joka teki, tavalla tai toisella, epäkelpoja tunneleita.
Re: Rogueliket
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:38 pm
by mikeful
Nethackia on tullut aika paljon pelattua. Lisäksi listalta löytyy aivan älytön määrä kaikenlaisia testaamisia ja pidempiä pelailuja eri pelien parissa. Koneelta löytyy tällä hetkellä Doom RL, IVAN, Nethack, Powder, Rogue ja Spelunky. Eri emulaattoreille löytyy myös kasa roguelikejä, mutta en nyt jaksa kaivaa kaikkia esiin.
Spelunkystä (roguelike-tasohyppely) on muuten tullut uusi versio taas.
Re: Rogueliket
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:08 am
by Koodiapina
Nostan aiheen nyt törkeästi, koska löysin
tälläisen mahtavan wiki-pohjaisen sivuston kaikille Rogueliken ystäville. Tuolta löytyy niin lista roguelike-peleistä kuin oppaita oman tekemiseen.
Re: Rogueliket
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:30 am
by -Z-
Kivasti pärjäsin DoomRL:ssä. Sitten tuli Hells knight ja former commando samassa huoneessa.
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DoomRL (v.0.9.8.10) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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Samuli, level 5 Human Soldier, killed by a former commando
on level 12 of the Phobos base.
He survived 39107 turns and scored 21093 points.
He didn't like it too rough.
He killed 156 out of 178 hellspawn. (87%)
He saved himself once.
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Health -1/50 Experience 7754/5
ToHit +0 ToDmg Ranged +1 ToDmg Melee +1
-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------
Finesse (Level 1)
Son of a bitch (Level 1)
Reloader (Level 2)
Shottyman (Level 1)
Rel->Rel->SM->SoB->Fin->
-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------
[a] [ Armor ] red armor [2/4] (39%)
[b] [ Weapon ] rocket launcher (6d6) [0/1]
[c] [ Boots ] protective boots [2/2] (92%)
[d] [ Prepared ] combat shotgun (6d3) [5/5]
-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------
[a] modified chaingun (1d6)x5 [50/50] (A1)
[b] chaingun (1d6)x5 [50/50]
[c] blue armor [2/2] (75%)
[d] blue armor [2/2] (100%)
[e] red armor [1/4] (25%)
[f] combat knife (2d5)
[g] 10mm ammo (x100)
[h] 10mm ammo (x100)
[i] 10mm ammo (x62)
[j] shotgun shell (x39)
[k] shotgun shell (x50)
[l] rocket (x10)
[m] rocket (x10)
[n] small med-pack
[o] large med-pack
[p] large med-pack
[q] phase device
[r] envirosuit pack
[s] weapon accuracy mod
-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------
31 former humans
23 former sergeants
5 former captains
46 imps
17 demons
27 lost souls
1 cacodemon
6 hell knights
-- History ---------------------------------------------------
He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
On level 12 he finally was killed by a former commando.
-- Messages --------------------------------------------------
You feel better.
Unknown command. Press "?" for help.
There is 10mm ammo (x24) lying here.
You found 24 of 10mm ammo.
You open the door.
You open the door.
You open the door. You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You
are hit! You are hit! You are hit!
You swap your weapon.
You prepare the rocket launcher! The former commando fires! You are hit!
You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You
are hit! The hell knight fires! You are hit!
Your weapon is empty.
The former commando fires! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! Your
red armor is damaged! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You
-- General ---------------------------------------------------
Before him 1 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
1 of those was killed.
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Re: Rogueliket
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:13 pm
by ristis
Ancient Domains of Mysteryä eli ADOMia tuli aikanaan kaverin innostamana naputettua melkosesti. Muistan vain, että paras hahmoni oli melko kovan tason maagi ja vaati melkosesti taistelua, että se viimein kaatui.
Nethackin sitä graafista Falcons Eyeä tms. pelasin joskus vähän.
Eniten on tullut pelattua URWia eli UnReal Worldiä. Se nyt ei mikään puhdas roguelike ole mutta voidaan varmaan samaan kategoriaan laittaa. Siinä vasta loistopeli. Täysiversion ihan kyseistä pelistä omistan mutta eipä nyt ole vähään aikaan tullut naputettua.
Re: Rogueliket
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:39 am
by Koodiapina
Kaksinkertaistin ennätykseni NetHackissa, joten ajattelin sen kunniaksi pistää dumplogit tänne.
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Grandi the Woman-at-arms St:18/03 Dx:12 Co:20 In:8 Wi:9 Ch:7 Lawful S:42643
Dlvl:7 $:1481 HP:0(118) Pw:16(16) AC:10 Xp:11/10093 T:13171 Blind
Your inventory
Armor
c - an uncursed thoroughly burnt rotted +3 small shield
i - an uncursed +0 pair of iron shoes
N - a cursed -3 pair of leather gloves
Comestibles
g - 3 uncursed food rations
k - an uncursed partly eaten food ration
C - an uncursed pancake
O - an uncursed K-ration
Q - an uncursed lembas wafer
Z - an uncursed C-ration
Wands
j - a wand of fire (0:2)
Tools
l - an uncursed skeleton key
o - an uncursed oil lamp
s - an uncursed oil lamp
w - an uncursed blindfold (being worn)
P - an uncursed leash
Final attributes
You were piously aligned
Your alignment was 75
You were cold resistant
You were sleep resistant
You were poison resistant
You were telepathic
You had infravision
You were stealthy
You were fast
You are dead
You didn't know any spells.
Vanquished creatures
a lieutenant
2 giant mimics
a large mimic
a warg
2 small mimics
2 pyrolisks
a large dog
a flaming sphere
2 tigers
an ochre jelly
2 leocrottas
a stone giant
an ettin zombie
a leather golem
a Grey-elf
a soldier
a succubus
a chameleon
4 giant beetles
a wolf
5 gremlins
a spotted jelly
an iron piercer
a mumak
2 giant spiders
a horse
an ice vortex
a black light
a vampire bat
a dwarf mummy
3 brown puddings
2 rust monsters
an owlbear
10 Green-elves
a lizard
a chickatrice
2 dogs
a housecat
2 dust vortices
a raven
2 gnome mummies
4 snakes
an ape
3 human zombies
5 Woodland-elves
7 soldier ants
2 fire ants
3 bugbears
2 imps
a quasit
3 wood nymphs
a water nymph
a mountain nymph
4 Mordor orcs
10 Uruk-hai
2 fog clouds
3 yellow lights
2 shriekers
2 violet fungi
a gnome lord
a gnomish wizard
a golden naga hatchling
2 guardian naga hatchlings
2 gray oozes
3 elf zombies
2 paper golems
a baby crocodile
3 giant ants
a floating eye
a kitten
2 homunculi
2 kobold lords
2 kobold shamans
4 hill orcs
3 rothes
a rabid rat
4 giant bats
5 monkeys
2 orc zombies
4 dwarf zombies
2 wererats
a werejackal
8 iguanas
6 killer bees
an acid blob
3 gas spores
a hobbit
2 large kobolds
4 hobgoblins
9 giant rats
6 cave spiders
2 brown molds
3 gnomes
2 garter snakes
8 geckos
10 jackals
3 foxes
5 goblins
3 sewer rats
12 grid bugs
a bat
6 lichens
3 kobold zombies
2 newts
275 creatures vanquished.
Voluntary challenges
You never genocided any monsters
You never polymorphed an object
You never changed form
You used no wishes
Your skills at the end
Fighting Skills
bare handed combat [Basic]
Weapon Skills
dagger [Basic]
long sword [Expert]
Spellcasting Skills
(none)
Latest messages
It touches you!
You are frozen!
You can move again.
You hit it.
It touches you!
You are frozen!
It touches you!
You hear someone counting money.
The gargoyle hits!
The gargoyle hits!
The gargoyle bites!
It touches you!
The gargoyle hits!
The gargoyle hits!
The gargoyle bites!
The gargoyle hits!
The gargoyle hits!
The gargoyle bites!
It touches you!
You die...
Farvel Grandi the Valkyrie...
You died in The Dungeons of Doom on dungeon level 7 with 42495 points,
and 1481 pieces of gold, after 13171 moves.
Killer: gelatinous cube, while helpless
You were level 11 with a maximum of 118 hit points when you died.
No Points Name Hp [max]
1 2147483647 ctaboir-Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu ascended to demigoddess-hood.
2 2147483647 Zadir-Pri-Hum-Fem-Neu died on the Astral Plane.
Killed by overexertion. 4140 [4140]
3 2147483647 Adeon-Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu ascended to demigod-hood. 12320 [464076]
1999 4340194 Squishy-Val-Hum-Fem-Neu ascended to
demigoddess-hood. 259 [259]
2000 4339290 jmst-Pri-Hum-Mal-Law ascended to demigod-hood. 180 [240]
* 42495 Grandi-Val-Dwa-Fem-Law died in The Dungeons of Doom
* on level 7 [max 16]. Killed by a gelatinous cube,
while helpless. - [118]
Re: Rogueliket
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:46 pm
by Eur0-5isu
Kyllä Iter Vehemens ad Necem eli lyhyesti IVAN on ehdottomasti viihdyttävin roguelike imo,
http://ivan.sourceforge.net/
Re: Rogueliket
Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 11:58 am
by Koodiapina
Laitan taas dumplogin tänne, kun ennätys ylittyi niin reilusti. 42k -> 65k pistettä. Kuolin tasolla 13, mutta olin pisimmällään tasolla 18. Questin olisin aloittanut, mutta leaderi väitti, että en oo tarpeeks kova tasonen.
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Grandi, lawful female dwarven Valkyrie
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Grandi the Woman-at-arms St:18/01 Dx:13 Co:19 In:10 Wi:11 Ch:8 Lawful S:65746
Dlvl:13 $:3228 HP:0(124) Pw:12(12) AC:1 Xp:11/15397 T:18471 Blind
Your inventory
Weapons
n - a thoroughly corroded +0 two-handed sword (weapon in hands)
Armor
j - an uncursed very corroded +0 pair of iron shoes (being worn)
q - an uncursed rotted +0 pair of water walking boots
u - an uncursed corroded +0 dented pot (being worn)
S - an uncursed +2 cloak of invisibility (being worn)
Z - an uncursed +0 bronze plate mail (being worn)
Comestibles
b - an uncursed partly eaten food ration
y - an uncursed food ration
Potions
t - an uncursed potion of blindness
Y - an uncursed potion of water
Rings
l - an uncursed ring of fire resistance (on right hand)
H - a cursed ring of regeneration (on left hand)
W - an uncursed ring of cold resistance
Wands
e - a wand of lightning (0:5)
f - a wand of cold (0:1)
g - a wand of slow monster named slow monster (0:6)
m - a wand of magic missile (0:0)
w - a wand of digging (0:1)
A - a wand of light (0:14)
C - a wand of secret door detection (0:9)
F - a wand of cold (0:4)
J - a wand of magic missile (0:0)
L - a wand of magic missile (2:2)
O - a wand of fire (0:0)
R - a wand of create monster (0:13)
V - a wand of cold (0:5)
Tools
x - an uncursed skeleton key
B - a +0 unicorn horn
D - an uncursed oil lamp
Q - an uncursed towel (being worn)
Final attributes
You were piously aligned
Your alignment was 102
You were fire resistant
You were cold resistant
You were telepathic
You had infravision
You were invisible
You were stealthy
You regenerated
You were fast
You are dead (2nd time!)
You didn't know any spells.
Vanquished creatures
2 black puddings
a ghost
a queen bee
2 giant mimics
7 small mimics
an ogre lord
3 quantum mechanics
3 trolls
a large dog
a freezing sphere
a flaming sphere
a large cat
a tiger
2 ochre jellies
2 leocrottas
2 mountain centaurs
a carnivorous ape
an ettin zombie
a leather golem
2 soldiers
2 chameleons
3 crocodiles
4 giant beetles
a cockatrice
2 wolves
3 winter wolf cubs
a lynx
a panther
a gremlin
a spotted jelly
4 orc-captains
an iron piercer
2 mumakil
2 giant spiders
a scorpion
a horse
4 vampire bats
3 forest centaurs
an orc mummy
a dwarf mummy
3 ogres
2 brown puddings
a rust monster
a yeti
2 werewolves
4 Green-elves
4 lizards
a chickatrice
a dog
2 dingos
a housecat
2 jaguars
a black unicorn
a dust vortex
a raven
4 plains centaurs
a gnome mummy
a snake
a soldier ant
12 fire ants
5 bugbears
2 quasits
2 wood nymphs
a water nymph
2 Mordor orcs
6 Uruk-hai
3 rock moles
2 ponies
4 yellow lights
a shrieker
2 violet fungi
2 kobold mummies
a red naga hatchling
a black naga hatchling
3 gray oozes
4 elf zombies
3 straw golems
a paper golem
2 baby crocodiles
8 giant ants
5 floating eyes
2 kittens
a dwarf
a homunculus
a kobold lord
2 kobold shamans
21 hill orcs
2 rothes
3 rabid rats
a centipede
4 giant bats
a monkey
a dwarf zombie
a wererat
a werejackal
4 iguanas
18 killer bees
a gas spore
a hobbit
2 manes
2 large kobolds
10 hobgoblins
7 giant rats
a cave spider
a brown mold
3 yellow molds
a red mold
3 gnomes
14 garter snakes
a gnome zombie
8 geckos
10 jackals
3 foxes
4 kobolds
5 goblins
3 sewer rats
4 grid bugs
3 bats
a lichen
a newt
334 creatures vanquished.
Voluntary challenges
You never genocided any monsters
You never polymorphed an object
You changed form 1 time
You used 2 wishes
You did not wish for any artifacts
Your skills at the end
Fighting Skills
bare handed combat [Basic]
Weapon Skills
dagger [Basic]
long sword [Expert]
two-handed sword [Skilled]
Spellcasting Skills
(none)
Latest messages
You kill the lizard!
Where do you want to travel to?
(For instructions type a ?)
You hear someone cursing shoplifters.
You miss the rock troll.
You hear a nearby zap.
The sleep ray hits you!
The rock troll hits!
The rock troll hits!
The rock troll bites!
The rock troll hits!
The rock troll hits!
The rock troll bites!
The rock troll hits!
The rock troll hits!
The rock troll bites!
The rock troll hits!
The rock troll hits!
The rock troll bites!
You die...
Farvel Grandi the Valkyrie...
You died in The Dungeons of Doom on dungeon level 13 with 65424 points,
and 3228 pieces of gold, after 18471 moves.
Killer: rock troll, while helpless
You were level 11 with a maximum of 124 hit points when you died.
No Points Name Hp [max]
1 2147483647 ctaboir-Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu ascended to demigoddess-hood.
2 2147483647 Zadir-Pri-Hum-Fem-Neu died on the Astral Plane.
Killed by overexertion. 4140 [4140]
3 2147483647 Adeon-Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu ascended to demigod-hood. 12320 [464076]
1999 4356742 brooder-Kni-Hum-Mal-Law ascended to demigod-hood. 364 [364]
2000 4356174 Rungekutta-Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu ascended to demigod-hood. 160 [251]
* 65424 Grandi-Val-Dwa-Fem-Law died in The Dungeons of Doom
* on level 13 [max 18]. Killed by a rock troll, while
helpless. - [124]
Re: Rogueliket
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 5:13 pm
by Koodiapina
Tuon ilosanomaa erään jalon pelin harrastajille! Osoitteeseen
nethack.fi on perustettu suomalainen nethack-server. Ainakin itselläni toimi täysin lagitta, toisin kuin esimerkiksi nethack.alt.org.
Tässä vielä pari päivää sitten tekemäni ennätys, 150k pistettä. Oli muuten ensimmäinen pelini barbaarilla.
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Grandi, chaotic male human Barbarian
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Grandi the Brigand St:18/15 Dx:18 Co:18 In:7 Wi:10 Ch:10 Chaotic S:152720
Dlvl:20 $:0 HP:0(137) Pw:26(26) AC:0 Xp:13/52977 T:16622 Blind
Your inventory
Amulets
K - an uncursed amulet of reflection (being worn)
Weapons
r - a rusty corroded +0 dwarvish short sword (weapon in hand)
Armor
k - an uncursed +0 dwarvish cloak (being worn)
l - an uncursed +0 pair of iron shoes (being worn)
m - a blessed very rusty +2 dwarvish roundshield (being worn)
n - an uncursed very rusty +0 dwarvish iron helm (being worn)
o - an uncursed +0 dwarvish mithril-coat (being worn)
Scrolls
f - an uncursed scroll of enchant weapon
v - an uncursed scroll of enchant weapon
B - an uncursed scroll of amnesia
C - an uncursed scroll of confuse monster
E - an uncursed scroll of magic mapping
G - an uncursed scroll of earth
H - an uncursed scroll of amnesia
I - 2 uncursed scrolls of gold detection
N - an uncursed scroll of enchant armor
U - an uncursed scroll of food detection
Potions
g - 2 uncursed potions of full healing
j - an uncursed potion of invisibility
s - an uncursed potion of water
A - an uncursed potion of sleeping
Rings
t - an uncursed ring of polymorph control
u - an uncursed ring of see invisible
y - an uncursed ring of fire resistance (on right hand)
L - an uncursed ring of invisibility (on left hand)
Q - an uncursed +2 ring of gain constitution
R - an uncursed +1 ring of gain constitution
Wands
e - a wand of death (0:2)
q - a wand of digging (0:5)
x - a wand of digging (0:6)
Y - a blessed wand of cold (0:3)
Tools
d - an uncursed towel (being worn)
i - an uncursed skeleton key
w - an uncursed bag of holding
Contents of the bag of holding:
23694 gold pieces
an uncursed amulet of life saving
an uncursed cram ration
3 uncursed tripe rations
an uncursed sprig of wolfsbane
an uncursed lembas wafer
15 uncursed food rations
an uncursed scroll of identify
an uncursed potion of water
a wand of speed monster (0:5)
a wand of magic missile (0:0)
a wand of magic missile (0:1)
a wand of slow monster (0:3)
a wand of digging (0:2)
a wand of light (0:11)
a +0 unicorn horn
an uncursed pair of lenses
Final attributes
You were piously aligned
Your alignment was 91
You were fire resistant
You were poison resistant
You were telepathic
You were invisible
You were fast
You had reflection
You are dead
You didn't know any spells.
Vanquished creatures
a guardian naga
2 vampire lords
a vampire
a queen bee
2 giant mimics
a zruty
a fire giant
a rock troll
an umber hulk
2 large mimics
2 long worms
2 hill giants
a xorn
2 sergeants
a winter wolf
5 small mimics
2 warhorses
4 xans
a quantum mechanic
a troll
2 sasquatches
2 wood golems
a gelatinous cube
a pyrolisk
a large dog
3 freezing spheres
a shocking sphere
2 tigers
2 gargoyles
a tengu
2 ochre jellies
2 human mummies
a red naga
a pit viper
a python
a wraith
2 carnivorous apes
3 ettin zombies
an incubus
4 chameleons
3 crocodiles
5 giant beetles
2 quivering blobs
a cockatrice
4 wolves
a winter wolf cub
36 leprechauns
an iron piercer
2 giant spiders
3 scorpions
3 ice vortices
a black light
a vampire bat
2 forest centaurs
5 gnome kings
an orc mummy
2 dwarf mummies
a brown pudding
3 rust monsters
4 owlbears
4 yetis
2 gold golems
a werewolf
3 lizards
3 chickatrices
3 dingos
2 housecats
2 jaguars
2 dwarf lords
5 white unicorns
a gray unicorn
a dust vortex
a raven
3 plains centaurs
a gnome mummy
4 human zombies
a rope golem
4 soldier ants
a fire ant
a bugbear
a quasit
3 wood nymphs
6 Mordor orcs
13 Uruk-hai
3 rock piercers
a rock mole
a pony
a yellow light
2 shriekers
2 violet fungi
12 gnome lords
5 gnomish wizards
6 kobold mummies
a red naga hatchling
4 gray oozes
6 elf zombies
a ghoul
2 straw golems
2 paper golems
3 giant ants
5 little dogs
4 floating eyes
2 kittens
19 dwarves
a kobold lord
16 rothes
a rabid rat
a centipede
2 giant bats
4 orc zombies
2 wererats
2 werejackals
5 iguanas
65 killer bees
an acid blob
4 coyotes
a gas spore
4 hobbits
2 large kobolds
3 hobgoblins
6 giant rats
6 cave spiders
2 red molds
52 gnomes
4 geckos
11 jackals
a fox
5 kobolds
2 goblins
4 sewer rats
7 grid bugs
4 lichens
2 kobold zombies
8 newts
527 creatures vanquished.
Voluntary challenges
You never genocided any monsters
You never polymorphed an object
You changed form 1 time
You used no wishes
Your skills at the end
Fighting Skills
bare handed combat [Basic]
Weapon Skills
axe [Basic]
short sword [Expert]
Spellcasting Skills
(none)
Latest messages
You smite the rock troll.
You smite the rock troll.
The rock troll hits!
The rock troll hits!
The rock troll bites!
You can't go up here.
What do you want to write with? [- deqrtuxyLQRY or ?*]
You write in the dust with your fingers.
What do you want to write in the dust here?
The rock troll hits!
The rock troll hits!
The rock troll bites!
What do you want to zap? [eqxY or ?*]
In what direction?
You kill the rock troll!
The elf-lord gets angry!
The bolt of cold hits the elf-lord!
It misses.
You are hit!
You die...
Goodbye Grandi the Barbarian...
You died in The Dungeons of Doom on dungeon level 20 with 150351 points,
and 23694 pieces of gold, after 16622 moves.
Killer: an elven arrow
You were level 13 with a maximum of 137 hit points when you died.
Re: Rogueliket
Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 1:24 am
by SPuntte
Nonnii, nyt alkaa se ascii-fiilis tuntua jossain, kun voi NetHackiä pelailla verkon yli SSH:lla. Tesmailimpa nopsasti tuota ja ihan hyvin näytti toimivan. Tosin satunnaisesti lagaili jonkun sekunnin. Pitkästä aikaa kun tuota pelailin, pääsi unohtumaan, että rukoillakin saa, jos ihan 16-0 tilanteessa on monsterivyöryn alla, joten homma oli reilussa tunnissa purkissa. Tuolta serverin toplistasta löytyy
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Rank| Score| Name| Role Info| Max DL| Method of Death|
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79| 956| luuri|Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law| 5| killed by a straw golem|
Re: Rogueliket
Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 3:29 pm
by mikeful
Re: Rogueliket
Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 5:45 pm
by -Z-
Vuoden säälittävin dumppi. Olin pitemmällä kuin koskaan, ja kuolin cacodemonille kun en muistanut käyttää health packia ajoissa.
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DoomRL (v.0.9.8.10) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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Samuli, level 7 Former Human Soldier, killed by a cacodemon
on level 15 of the Phobos base.
He survived 67668 turns and scored 33846 points.
He didn't like it too rough.
He killed 313 out of 318 hellspawn. (98%)
He held his right to remain violent.
-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------
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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------
Health 0/60 Experience 16926/7
ToHit +0 ToDmg Ranged +0 ToDmg Melee +0
-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------
Ironman (Level 1)
Finesse (Level 2)
Reloader (Level 2)
Juggler (Level 1)
Shottyman (Level 1)
Rel->Rel->SM->Iro->Fin->Jug->Fin->
-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------
[a] [ Armor ] green armor [0/1] (20%)
[b] [ Weapon ] rapid chaingun (1d6)x5 [25/50]
[c] [ Boots ] modified protective boots [2/2] (140%) (D)
[d] [ Prepared ] double shotgun (6d3)x3 [2/2]
-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------
[a] modified combat shotgun (6d3) [6/6] (M1)
[b] rocket launcher (6d6) [1/1]
[c] modified chaingun (1d6)x5 [50/50] (R1)
[d] plasma rifle (1d8)x8 [40/40]
[e] BFG 9000 (10d8) [100/100]
[f] 10mm ammo (x9)
[g] 10mm ammo (x100)
[h] shotgun shell (x46)
[i] rocket (x10)
[j] rocket (x10)
[k] rocket (x10)
[l] rocket (x10)
[m] power cell (x40)
[n] large med-pack
[o] large med-pack
[p] large med-pack
[q] large med-pack
[r] phase device
[s] homing phase device
[t] weapon reload mod
[u] armor durability mod
-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------
71 former humans
47 former sergeants
15 former captains
60 imps
28 demons
46 lost souls
18 cacodemons
2 barons of hell
5 hell knights
2 pain elementals
1 revenant
-- History ---------------------------------------------------
He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
On level 2 he entered Hell's Arena.
He left the Arena before it got too hot.
On level 4 he stormed the Chained Court.
On level 13 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
On level 15 he finally was killed by a cacodemon.
-- Messages --------------------------------------------------
here.
There is a armour shard lying here.
Your armor looks better! Your boots look better!
Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the cacodemon. The missile hits
the cacodemon.
Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the cacodemon. The missile hits
the cacodemon. The missile hits the cacodemon. The missile hits the
cacodemon.
Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the cacodemon. The missile hits
the cacodemon. The missile hits the cacodemon.
Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the cacodemon. The missile hits
the cacodemon. The missile hits the cacodemon. The missile hits the
cacodemon. The cacodemon fires! You are hit! Your green armor is damaged!
Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the cacodemon. The missile hits
the cacodemon. The missile hits the cacodemon. The cacodemon fires!
-- General ---------------------------------------------------
Before him 8 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
6 of those were killed.
And 2 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.
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Re: Rogueliket
Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 9:15 pm
by Koodiapina
EDIT: Alla oleva teksti voi sisältää muutaman spoilerin.
You are warned.
Aika mielenkiintoinen näkökanta, mitä näkee kyllä melko usein, että pelaajan tasoja pitäisi kehittää maltillisesti. Itselläni on tapana repiä sitä expaa mistä tahansa, esimerkiksi hakkaamalla gnomish minesin läpi pelin alussa watchmenit mukaan lukien (pelaan tietenkin chaoticilla). Sitten jos löydän bag of tricks / scroll of create monster, käytän nekin loppuun, jotta pääsen taas grindaamaan. Ja siitä sitten jatkankin suoraan sokobaneihin (myös sen takia, että sieltä löytyy ruokaa vaikka millä mitalla) ja lopulta sen teasure zoohon, jotta taas nousisivat tasot (+rahapalkkio ja BoH/AoR). Muutenkin käyn läpi jokaisen pelin aikana vastaantulevan throneroomin ja davidin teasure zoon sekä tapan kaikki vastaan tulevat monsut (poikkeuksena acid-tyyppiset moldit/blobit, jos en ole saanut aseeseeni suojausta eroosiolta. nekin saisi tapettua projektileillä, taialla, wandeilla jne., mutta se on melko turhaa, kun niiden hyökkäykset ovat passivisia. floating eyeihin ja muihin gaze-hyökkäyksen omaaviin toimii itsensä sokeuttaminen, jos ei ole muuta tappamiskeinoa saatavilla tai jos AoR / SoR jäi kotiin). Hirviöistä ei ole mielestäni tullut näin turhan vaikeita (Kuolen YASDeihin eli omaan tyhmyyteeni, en hirviöiden vaikeuteen) ja positiivisista puolista voitaisiin mainita nopea resistanssien (alussa ainakin poison, fire ja cold) ja instrikkien saaminen (teleportis, jota ei kylläkään kannata hankkia ennen teleport controllin osaamista, telepatia, joka on hyödyllinen aina, koska sokeuttamisvälineiden löytäminen on suhteellisen helppoa jo pelin alussa). Löydettävien tavaroidenkin taso vaihtelee sikäli mikäli kun alkaa ilmestymään tietynlaisia vihollisia (yendorian-armyn jäsenet, dragonit, hyvin harvoin ilmestyvä barrow wight). Toisena mainitulta saisi dragon scalet, ja riippuen väristä, myös corpsen syömällä tietyn resistanssin. Viimeisenä mainittu kantaa mukanaan longswordia, joka on todella tehokas 1h-ase, jos pelaa roolilla jolla ei alussa ollut parempaa (tietenkin sen voi löytää mistä tahansa lojumastakin, mutta saa mukava tuuri kyllä käydä). Julkisilla NetHack servuilla myös suuri bonesfilesien saatavuus helpottaa kamojen grindausta, kunhan mukana on pari pulloa pyhää vettä / tavallista vettä + pray-mahdollisuus. Aivan pelin alussa voi myös saada dwarfeilta keskitason armourin, dwarfish mithril-coatin. Se suojaa yhden AC:n vähemmän kuin platemail, mutta toisaalta antaa MC2, painaa vähemmän ja siinä on valmiina ruostumattomuus. Minetownista löytyy myös sopivasti alttari, joten sen saa käyttöönsä nopeasti, jos ei ole muuta BUC-statuksen selvittäjää.
Re: Rogueliket
Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 2:00 pm
by SPuntte
Lollol, hackitin tässä kieli poskella, siis en kovinkaan vakavasti tai päämäärätietoisesti ja keksin taas yhden typerän tavan kuolla:
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161 kanki-Val-Dwa-Fem-Law died in The Dungeons of Doom on
level 1. Killed by a boiling potion.
Olin purkamassa laatikosta ansaa mutta vahingossa laukaisin sen. Se sattui olemaan tulta syöksevää mallia (en edes tiedä onko bokseissa muunlaisia) ja poltti minulta erinäisiä tavaroita ja lopulta räjäytti kaksi taikajuomaa..
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0 kanki-Kni-Hum-Fem-Law died in The Dungeons of Doom on
level 1. Slipped while mounting a saddled pony.
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Re: Rogueliket
Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 3:21 pm
by Koodiapina
SPuntte wrote:Olin purkamassa laatikosta ansaa mutta vahingossa laukaisin sen. Se sattui olemaan tulta syöksevää mallia (en edes tiedä onko bokseissa muunlaisia) ja poltti minulta erinäisiä tavaroita ja lopulta räjäytti kaksi taikajuomaa..
Aika jännä tapa kuolla tosiaan. Itselläni on tullut noista containereista vaikka mitä ansoja liekeistä myrkkykaasuihin, mutta koskaan eivät ole mitään sen kummempaa aiheuttaneet, pientä HP:n menetystä lukuunottamatta. Lienee varmaan hyvä tuuri taustalla :-D
Vihollisten säde-hyökkäyksistä (siis myös tuli) taas välttyy hyvin kun on SoR tai AoR. Niitä ei kuitenkaan aina ole saatavilla, joten myös jonkinlaisessa säkissä/repussa pitäminen kannattaa (En tiedä kylläkään miten muut kuin BoH suojaavat, paitsi että Oilskin sack suojaa vedeltä). Silloin mahdollisuutta noiden taikajuomien räjähtämiselle/lootattujen kamojen tuhoutumiselle ei pitäisi olla (Paitsi jos tunget BoH:iin toisen BoH:in, Back of Tricksin tai wand of cancellationin, jolloin koko reppu räjähtää).
Re: Rogueliket
Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 3:52 pm
by SPuntte
Eikös tulellekin ole oma vastustuskyky (resistance)? Tyyliin syöt jonkun tulihirviön jäännökset niin saat sen, vai? Suojaisikohan se vain itseä vai myös päällä olevia kamoja (kuten puista kilpeä tms. palavaa) tai jopa repun sisältöä? Emt.. En ole niin pitkälle päässyt. poison ja magic ovat muistaakseni ainoat resistancet, jotka minulla on ollut.
Ja tuosta BoHista tulikin mieleen, että itse sain kipinän NetHackiin Tapio Bershewskyn kolumnista, MikroBitistä joskus muutama vuosi takaperin. Hän oli ilmeisesti vahingossa tehnyt juuri tuon "ikeakassi ikeakassin sisään -> POX!" -mokan yrittäessään jälleen yhtä ascendausta kyseistä kirjoitusta varten.
Re: Rogueliket
Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:37 pm
by Koodiapina
SPuntte wrote:Eikös tulellekin ole oma vastustuskyky (resistance)? Tyyliin syöt jonkun tulihirviön jäännökset niin saat sen, vai? Suojaisikohan se vain itseä vai myös päällä olevia kamoja (kuten puista kilpeä tms. palavaa) tai jopa repun sisältöä? Emt.. En ole niin pitkälle päässyt. poison ja magic ovat muistaakseni ainoat resistancet, jotka minulla on ollut.
Juu, fire resistanssi ei tosiaan suojaa tavaroita. Resistansseissa on muitakin rajoituksia, esimerkiksi stoning resistance ei suojaa kivettymiseltä jos syö foocatricen/medusan corpsen, eikä poison resistance jos menee syömään jotain myrkyllistä (mutta unicorn horn auttaa <3). Joissakin ei-taistelutilanteissa resistanssi taas ei suojaa täysin, vaan vain lieventää seurauksia.